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Fluid org boundaries with AI

Cosmos & Inherent asks: How can AI address a specific coordination problem that has historically dogged human organizations? What would adopting this solution mean for the organization’s structure and the day-to-day experience of individuals within the organization?

  • AI can radically change the conception of “who is in the org”
    • historically, sharp delineation between “fulltime staff on inside” vs “users on the outside”
    • especially true for consumer tech startups & companies. (eg Manifold, Google, Reddit, now OpenAI & Anthropic)
  • What might be possible now:
    • larger scope for what it means to be “in an org”. eg Manifold staff, but also moderators, volunteers
      • and compensated accordingly
    • weaker boundaries — more volunteers, work trials, part-time members
    • orgs become more like collectives, communes
  • why is it the case that most tech orgs are a just few fulltime people?
    • small teams reduce communication costs
    • specialization within a human expert
      • more knowledge & skills accrues inside a single person over time
      • but: maybe this will change — the AIs/agent transcript can specialize, while the human remains generalist, going around learning stuff
        • humans remain:
          • better at few-shot learning
          • better at modeling other humans
    • draw an economic boundary between a few extremely great people
      • equity compensation
      • but: leads to a more us vs them mentality?
    • tech startups vs governments
      • can AI lead to more new governments?
    • trust, legitimacy, coherence
      • (not sure that this can be passed on to AI actually)
  • [ln] bifurcating humans? ai accelerating education vs getting left behind
    • not sure if Austin means just 10% of population, or 100% (if we do more to carry them together)
    • if 8b: conditioned on getting some things right. might be out of scope for the piece
  • [ac] lydia’s approach vs austin’s approach, r vs k
  • [ln] ai lets us do things faster — 20y vs 2y
    • people move faster
    • 1-day org
      • minifest — Lydia first exposure to Austin universe
      • you can join a lot of “1-day org”
      • dunbar number for orgs
  • [ln] not sure, if in this piece, do we expect more people to be like Austin?
    • also fine (and exciting) to just do a small case study
  • [ln] does Austin’s approach self-replicate better than other approaches?
    • memes
    • org culture
    • journalist: not self replicating fast enough — why might that
    • are my projects self replicating
      • 90/30 club — i’m from CMU & NYU
    • rate of self replication determines whether we see it
      • CG/EA/constellation modes of doing things
  • [ln] the way the world could be, vs how it is
    • but psyched to put down ways the world could be
    • (or, other people)
    • not yet a reproducible recipe cookbook for “how to do what Austin does”
      • what peter thiel did with 0 to 1
      • can use the thiel cookbook from 0 to 1
    • felt like PG’s essay
  • nuno: vassals, grantmakers are orgs
    • meta, google: food, healthcare, they provide for their people
    • more normal disposition from people is to want a provider to take care of everything
      • historically: family unit, to employer, more hierarchical and want one provider
      • self employed entreprenuerial thing
  • [ln]: accelerando, for institution building, compute rich world
    • might be like the main character: venture altruist, make other rich, give ideas away for free
  • why is it hard for an org to hire a lot of humans?
    • trust:
      • don’t know that a person is a good fit, worth the money. want to vet. adverse selection. resumes are low-signal. interviews are expensive, also select for “good at interviewing”.
      • best signal of “can you do the job” is “doing the job” ⇒ work trials, or watching people do the job in other contexts
    • sourcing
      • not sure where to find the right humans?
      • but AI should make matching markets much more efficient
        • have your Claude apply for jobs, have their Claude interview your Claude to see if the fit is good. x1,000,000
    • communication overheads
      • dunbar’s number, one person can only model so many others
      • already, internet & prosaic tech enables much larger/more profitable orgs, eg Google and Amazon
      • internal tech like Slack, Google Calendar, Notion/GDocs allow for much broader scale of communication
      • AI will probably go much farther — can simulate individual human
    • costly
      • humans cost a bunch of money!
        • which serve as a major constraint on how large an org can grow
      • maybe there will be much more kinds of work & participation which are less like “fulltime work”
      • question to explore: why does facebook pay a facebook SWE (40h/week) a bunch of money, but not a facebook user (10h/week)?
        • something about the facebook user’s contribution is much less valuable, from a supply/demand perspective
        • facebook users love sitting around and chatting with each other. lot of supply of that in the market
        • but: not that many people historically have the ability to maintain systems like facebook
      • orgs are paying for:
        • skillset, expertise
        • reliability
        • loyalty
        • secrets
  • why is it solved with AI? some guesses:
    • historically, onboarding & context sharing is super expensive, but now AI can get past a lot of it
      • example: Manifest. Winter & Carolanne just running Claude over the copious transcripts
    • lower cost of comms between people?
  • what is the equilibrium?
    • maybe: instead of being associated with a single org, much more flexible membership
      • ie people work 5 “jobs” each at 1-20h/week
      • ie people associate with orgs the way they associate with social media sites today
    • maybe: vast superorgs nation-level (think Terra Ignota’s hives) glued together with weird AI support & governance
      • imagine X except the money feature was super well implemented, many people draw significant paychecks from their posts, there’s a taxation scheme & election for council & leader rather than just fully founder-controlled

appendix

  • code: justwrite site self-modification
    • organizations becoming more liquid, permissionless
    • feedback
      • users vs staff — now users can just make the change themselves
  • historical problem: trust with power (budget, hiring authority)
  • btw suggested pairings:
    • charlie & jacob
    • malaika & fizza
    • austin & lydia